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#318677 - 03/08/11 02:11 PM
Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
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#318686 - 03/08/11 03:37 PM
Re: Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
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I'm glad to see this post. Dave is one of my favorites here. This is a great example of the differences between arranger play and real interaction between people "playing" off of each other.
Night in Tunisia is a great tune to illustrate the difference because of the abrupt tempo change...one of the classic tempo changes in contemporary music.
The arranger is a good example of excellent musicianship AND the differences mentioned above.
Sadly, today, economics, personality conflicts, available jobs, etc. make totally live group play impractical, sometimes, and, frankly, a Pain in the A** other times.
But, "ain't it GREAT"?
Good work, Dave!
Russ
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#318699 - 03/08/11 09:26 PM
Re: Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Now, imagine that, after he played the head the first time, he could hit a button, and the LH chord input was taken over by the Chord Sequencer, and he could play solos with BOTH hands, or strip the arranger down to bass and drums and then comp alternate chords with the LH, or pick up another instrument and blow, etc., etc., etc..
His LH repeats itself basically verbatim every chorus. What a waste of what is probably a VERY good LH...
Personally, at this tempo, I think I would have preferred perhaps a Latin, or Latin Jazz approach, as most jazzers are used to hearing that one at bebop speeds when swung. Impressive guitar chops, though, don't get me wrong. And nice to hear something other than a lollipop!
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#318723 - 03/09/11 06:03 AM
Re: Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
[Re: Diki]
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Now, imagine that, after he played the head the first time, he could hit a button, and the LH chord input was taken over by the Chord Sequencer, and he could play solos with BOTH hands, or strip the arranger down to bass and drums and then comp alternate chords with the LH, or pick up another instrument and blow, etc., etc., etc..
His LH repeats itself basically verbatim every chorus. What a waste of what is probably a VERY good LH... Diki, very well put. I hope Yamaha's arranger division is really listening and taking our need for a chord sequencer seriously. The fact that the Korg PA3X will include a chord sequencer should not be taken lightly.
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#318731 - 03/09/11 07:11 AM
Re: Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
[Re: Scottyee]
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This video was sponsored by Yamaha USA. As this is an 'arranger' forum, I posted it to show what one can (elevator-ish or not) do with a jazz tune in auto accomp mode. Certainly no comparison (not even close) to playin' with top flight live jazz cats, as you did so well. I really enjoyed your keyboard performance with the JazzItUp! band, especially your soloing! Second to that, its still really fun & rewarding to emulate a jazz combo on the arranger minus the 3am late hour smoke & booze. Dave, your kb's vocal scat samples sounded great but I wasn't won over by the sound of the piano sample . . . overly brittle and harsh to my ears. Which Roland piano patch did you use? btw: I still fondly remember the times we met at Namm when you were a GEM rep. Enjoyed watching you play back then, but man, it's a treat to see you 'let loose' and really shine playing with your JazzItUp! band group. Hi Scott, I'm glad you posted the video because it is nice to see an arranger used for a song that might be thought of as non-arranger material. And Like I said, the player has some nice chops. The only thing that I didn't really care for was the vibes w/harmony patch. Might have been nice to play a short solo with the vibes sound sans harmony though. All in all, very cool. As for the piano sounds on the video I posted, I couldn't agree more. I absolutely hated that piano sound. I have since upgraded the RD300SX to an RD700GX w/SuperNATURAL Piano Expansion. It is a far better acoustic piano sound than the 300SX, still not the perfect piano sound, but at least acceptable. It was certainly fun meeting you and other forumites at NAMM over the years. I miss those times. Maybe if I get some free time I'll record A Night In Tunisia on my Pa588 and post it here as to stay in context of the arranger forum. Dave
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#318750 - 03/09/11 11:33 AM
Re: Jazz Buffs: "Well You Needn't" played on the S910
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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We honestly need EVERY decent player of arrangers to start bringing the Chord Sequencer to the forefront of manufacturers' consciousness. It isn't really a feature that benefits the beginning player, as he rarely has a LH capable of more than the chord input anyway, but for the more advanced player, the amount of sheer REPETITION the LH has to do is tragic.
So, you aren't going to hear a litany of calls for the feature from THEM, it is going to have to be the more advanced player that brings it to their attention. And as we are probably well in the minority, that means we ALL will have to make the noise!
Simply put, if you have a decent LH, if you like soloing expressively using the bender, if you play ANOTHER instrument (guitar, sax, accordion, another keyboard etc.) a Chord Sequencer or Chord 'Looper' (for those that might be thinking that the CS is an offline process, not something you do live) is one of the handiest things you'll ever get. It blurs the boundary between being spontaneous in arranger mode and being rigid in SMF song mode...
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